Anyone my age or older on here??

It's official.

:D I'll find mine and put it up.

The only reason why I didn't get the A+ is because 2 of my short stories weren't long enough. He was a strict grader! The whole class loved my stories though! So I am happy about that! I mostly write Poetry though! I have two short stories. I think I lost one of them a while ago :-(

Try and figure what my poem means!!! A lot of people get it wrong! What kind of poem is it? (Another thing people get wrong!)

I am going to make a poetry forum topic! Post your poetry and lyrics in it, I want to critique them all! I usually NEVER have anything bad to say about anyone's poetry and lyrics. I have been writing for years! I took Intro to Writing last semester. I got a B+ in the class :D

I know no one doubted me I just wanted to see what you all think :)

Thanx, Xtreme-Light, I think it´s hard to draw this line too. And this is why I still don´t understand why we give different names... I sense there´s a difference, but I can´t quite put a finger on it... some say it´s the serial or production line aspect that tells when it´s craftwork and not art. But most great painters had phases too, where their paintings were of a very similar kind, like the yellow phase, or blue phase...

When it comes to music... I find it harder in this field making art by chance, and I totally agree with what you´ve said about singing out of tune can be consider art when it´s made by choice and not by total incapacity of doing otherwise.

skysthelimitxo, I didn´t see anyone here put in doubt your ability to write, but your poem is very good, keep writing and doing what you love

I am going to give you one of my poems I want you to tell me if it sounds artistic enough...Everyone that has ever commented on it says it tells a story, to me stories can be works of art. I have won the accomplishment of getting this poem into my high schools Story and Poetry Magazine and all of my english Professors said I should make a poetry and stories book showcasing all my works of art

Rose

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I am but a Rose

Losing its petals day by day

Blowing in the wind

Hoping to find a new windowsill

To fall back on

I am but a rose

Losing its thorns

Without you, my thorns

It's hard to breathe

I am but a rose

Losing my stem

Without the stem

There can be no

Balance in my life

I am but a rose

Thats all i shall be

Until a new day comes

I am what I am

Well in some way craftmanship and art relate to each other. One depends on another. Though I would not say a carpenter is necessarily an artist.

Just to make an example. There are a lot of painters also making music. They do this with the same intention as creating paintings - but as it goes for painting - they learned the techniques - they learned to draw etc...

Now on a basis of beeing an artist some decide their music is also art - and here comes the craftmanship into the game - they are not (for the further descriptioned reason). Its not art if you just do things like you do only because you are uncapable doing it in another way. So singing beneath the tune may be a cool punk attitude but how could it be art if the "artist" can not sing in another way?

Its just luck in hitting around the right tunes as seen from the music side. Maybe if the lyrics are good it turns again into art just for the lyrical expression... I think one can not make a strictly border where craftmanship and arts divide from another but craftmanship relate definetly to arts - whatever art you take.

On the other side the technique/craftmanship is not the overall decissive aspect because for example based on the technique nearly everybody can make a DADA poem - but will it be then automatically art? I dont think so.

Well... I thought we were just having a healthy conversation about art, not insulting anyone....

I was admiring how interesting... this post started talking about age, evolved to art discussion and now.... I don´t feel insulted when someone disagrees with me; maybe it´s me, but I didn´t see anyone being disrespectful to anyone here...

As for the art matter, I´d like to ask you guys one thing, coz I´m curious to know what you feel about it... do you think there´s a difference between art and craftwork? Artist and Craftsman? Or is it the same? (I know this site is about music, but I couldn´t help myself of asking...)

I think that I won the bet - it was just a matter of time until it aproaches on the scene...

Yes, you are so right about that. Art is like freedom of speech in that anything can be expressed, even if some people don't like it. Everything expressing the creative talents of an individual or group should be called art!

I love taking pictures, I find many different bits of art in nature. My best friend thinks I take good pictures.

Read my edit.

you are not alone - i am having to think hard to follow these concepts too!

but the intellectual stimulation is much needed. keep up the excellent work everyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIb34oA7Q-Q

10 CC - Art For Art's Sake

@Ariadne of course not only paintings are art - the discussion went on over to paintings just by the taken examples.

btw. nice to read you ;)

alas English is not my first language either, but I've been enjoying this thread guys

I agree with most of the things said by Adrix and Xtreme-light

I believe in 'die Gedanken sind frei' too, ... so there you go another little tangent :) :

Interesting how art makes us think of paintings... Literature for me (and some critics) is synonym of art, sorry if I seem to speak by slogans, again, not being a native english speaker.. if a painting has some literature in it, it's art :)

Girl_scout, I don't think that a work of art is meant to speak only to its creator, not sure about this onanistic way to consider art .. or maybe I didn't get what you mean by that

You mentioned some good points - "Die Gedanken sind frei" and I agree that there shouldn´t be any limitations in this means. I also see a discussion as a way in which we can point out different sides of a topic and prove own ideas and thinking - but not to fight against all others to be the great ME. Its more of a thesis - antithesis - synthesis thing that can grow from a real discussion and be a enrichment to oneself thinking.

I also didn´t expected to see such an discussion about art here - its nice to read post like yours :)

I agree that the astronomic prices that are beeing paid for some piece of art are bullshit. But it comes always to bullshit when money is acting. It´s the same with good old guitars - you can´t afford a Stratocaster from ´59 until you pay a truckload of money for it. Just because some greedy wallstreet characters put this guitars in their safe as an investment - its the same with art.

That is your right to think about it in that way, to reject the work as art by your interpretation, and to suspect that the artist is not sincere with their intent, but with regard to whether the work is art in an absolute sense, again, the ultimate determination (think benefit-of-doubt) rests with the artist, otherwise we pretend we know what (people/)artists are thinking (their intent behind their work). And most would agree that we can't read each others' minds.

All the work of art has to speak to, fundamentally, is the artist, alone, unless of course their intent for the work is otherwise. But, again, it goes back to the artist and their intent.

I would also add that art with a money-profit intent is not a pure form of art. Interestingly, apparently Vincent Van Gogh's work commands some of the highest prices in the art world, yet he died relatively penniless.

I see what you´re saying Xtreme-Light and I agree half of it. I don´t mean that art must be decorative, far from that, art is made to cause some reaction on us, positive or negative, is a statement, I think the only thing art shouldn´t be is neutral. I was decorating my new practice last month and another professional who attend in the same clinic as me was paying me a visit and she wanted to help with suggestions, coz I´ve really asked for some input. Well, she said that awful (yet, well-intended, though) thing to me: "The furniture is great, now is just buy some paintings, something neutral to put on the walls..." I know she meant well, so in a very polite way I begged to differ and said to her that art shouldn´t ever be neutral, it isn´t decoration, it doesn´t have to match with the furniture or anything. She has one of those supermarket paintings on her practice that you see everywhere, and this to me causes the same effect some art installations do. It lacks soul and the statement, it only has fashionism.

I´d totally understand and admire if the shit can meant a social criticism, but in this case I don´t think it was his intention. What I´m criticizing is the empty fashion victim market of art. Once I saw a renowned artist saying in an interview, after the reporter ask him what was his inspiration on a sculpture he did, and his answer, kind of clumsy but clearly honest was " I don´t know.... after I got famous people get interested in anything I do"... What I´m telling is someone in his personal way may call something art if he or she put his/her soul and mind on the making of it, even if he isn´t an artist, this I can respect. But make people of fool and call them dummies only coz their art is empty even to themselves and put an astronomic price on it in order to give it some credit... this I can´t agree with. You might say that it´s hard to tell when it´s an honest work from when is just any bullshit with brand, and I have to agree with this... it´s not easy to tell and this is the danger of discrimination. I admit is tricky.

I think it´s very nice we can talk about it here, we grow with different opinions. I don´t see any personal attack to anyone, it´s just an exchanging of ideas. My english also isn´t that great, so I hope I didn´t sound too confusing... german is a beautiful language too, and I know just a bit, but you made me remind of something I truly believe and i think it sounds nice in german: Die Gedanken sind frei.... :)

one can selftitle as artist a billion times - that makes you not an artist - no matter how much he or she want to be one... it´s just the crap ppl say today to push theirself into focus...

one squiggle on an ipod makes you just one thing --> a fool that thinks by one squiggle you´re an artist...

@skysthelimitxo

If you did a squiggle on your ipod as a sincere artistic expression, then it would be, irrespective of what I or anyone else thought.

This allows the artist ultimate power-of-determination of their work as art, as it has to be.

polite as always... I bet you can express some more about the art from your heart in that way... keep it rolling!

Fuck off! I have a right to post anything I want about these topics!!!

maybe you misunderstood something but I can assure you not everything is about you here... though you work hard to turn every thread into your favorite topic

A lot of people don't find photography an art or poetry either. I find them to be art. I do both and to me it is beautiful. I will respond to all your long posts later when I get the chance I am currently at school right now and I am on my iPhone

If the artist says that their work is art, then it is.

No excuses for something that needs to be said Adrix68 ;)

I wish my english would be as good as my german is for such a discussion about arts. On one hand I share the same opinion and on the other hand not.

I think what today comes up as arts has two levels (For this discussion ;) ). First of all the level that came from freeing arts from all limitations that former and actual society has put on it. From this revolutionary break free - that art can have no limitations and no definition from outside art to itself, evolved a wider adaption of what art seems to be but not necessary in understanding the real meaning of this process, in society.

So people that would like to be artists nowadays say - their whatsoever they call art, is art. Well it´s not - not as long they are the only ones that define their works as art (or their freinds and family).

And now we come to the shit bucket. It is art! It is art in the way like for example Beuys did art. Conceptual art or action art (dunno if this is the right english word for it). It was never been made for buying it. It is critisism on society or other things - it is even criticism on art and art business itself.

I may explain it nearer. When you read your own words about arts today - what would you do as an artist that is pissed from arts business today? All that money shit that came from buyers that want to make a good deal for the future instead of buying art they like? You maybe see the shit bucket then in another light. You don´t need to like it - I wouldn´t go myself there to see it - but I can respect it as it is - a statement from an artist.

In my opinion art has (but not only) to point on things and open doors to different rooms in thinking, feeling and discussions in society.

"Art" that just looks good is decoration - nothing more.

sorry guys I just like talking about art and similar :)

I didn't mean to degrade anyone ..it was just some conversation /communication ;)

Yes, I was referring before specifically to the writen text, but of course art can be much more than send a message, or much less too.

But.... you know, some of what people call art today relies on the argument of "art may be anyhting, it depends on the eyes of the beholder" kind of thing... well I don´t agree entirely, coz this may mean the death of art. If art can be anything, absolutely anything (like a can filled with the artist´s shit, seriously, this was an "artistic instalation" on a gallery) what will we need artists for? Those who lives from art, who dedicates their lives to this so beautiful and meaningful aspect of the human culture are all obsolete... If anything and everything is art, then nothing is art anymore, and art will die of natural causes.... no matter the style or media, to me art can´t disregard the inteligence and mind of people, it got to have some kind of real elaboration, emotional or rational, or is just rubbish, disguised as art, like on that "The King is Naked" tale, you must know it... I wouldn´t buy a painting where the so called artist simply cleaned his tow of paint on the canvas and signed below, as an enigma... nowadays people is afraid of looking stupid if they ask what the heck does this means or tell us??? Modern art is becoming a religion, don´t ask, if you don´t understand is modern art, is chique, you should buy it and save your art ignorancy for yourself. Is about selling signatures, not really the art. I like several modern artists, don´t get me wrong, I´m not a cave person, but let´s face it... a can full of shit??? I have to agree with the critic who said: the content of the can synthesizes the whole exhibition.... sorry, but sometimes we have to say the king is naked...

That being said, I agree with you Ariadne, art don´t have the obligation to send a message, it can send it or not.

I remind of that cartesian saying "I think, therefore I exist" or cogito ergo sum, and would change this to "I exist, even where and when I don´t think"... nothing can show us better than art the true meaning of being alive on a particular time and place of the universe...

Sorry for the long post....

There is nothing wrong with what I said! Stop degrading me like my opinions are wrong or not good enough. Art is a way of getting out a message but I never said it's the only way! My thoughts on art are my thoughts you can't change that! My art gives out messages to everyone about who I am and about real life experiences. Every piece of art gives out a message even if you don't see it yourself, it does!

word! :)

yes of course, obviously there's communication, but there is something else, something more than that, otherwise it's just any message, a magazine, a politics pamphlet pass messages, art is MUCH more than that

ART enlarge our mental world with new thoughts, new feelings, new emotions, new ideas and truths, or fresh perspectives and visions on old ones, stimulates your thoughts, real art has a life of its own in this way, art can not be limited to the world of messages, all that [and more ;) ] is much, much more than delivering a message.

If you are in arts or familiar then you´ll understand that there are many levels of communications - even a noncommunication level.

Beside what some artists declare about their own art works (which anybody can do as he/her likes), seeing and hearing and thinking implicates always a communication - thats just how senses and our brain works ;)

it's not only my point, it's a whole school of thoughts about what is art ...

I was only digressing from the subject of age, which I find a minefield and at the same time, just an occasion for ageists to say that this site is meant for younger people ...

....anyway, many critics and many artists believe that Art it is something more or something other than 'message-bearing'.

I didn't exclude appreciation, appreciation is different from getting a message, very different

I don't see your point. Whilst it's wrong to limit them just as a mean to encounter people, wouldn't the artist(s) appreciate fans being appreciative of the work together?

works of art are not, characteristically, acts of communication by means of which artists seek to convey a 'message' to those who encounter the work. To think that they are such messages is to confuse art with a group of its minor genres: the allegory, the fable, the parable.

I feel the best way to express yourself is through writing! Poetry, stories, songs. It helps get your message out to those who don't always understand you!

It´s good you expressed yourself better, skythelimitxo, as for me, I can say I just told what I´ve told coz before you didn´t tell about your life, you had just made reference about your age on the first post, like it was a great deal and nothing more. Now, that you´ve told us more, it´s easier to understand what you meant.... the thing is that we have to take care with what we say and what we don´t say, coz we´ll be analysed based on this. I myself, was already misunderstood as well coz I didn´t took the time to write exactly what I was thinking, the rush took the best and I was misunderstood also. Never mind, here our goal is making friends and though life can sometimes not be easy on us, it´s good to know that you, like so many other people here share the love for music, no matter what kind or what time it comes.

A brazilian maestro used to say something I find beautiful: "Music is inner life, and those who has it, will never be lonely"

I am proud of being young because how my life started out wasn't the typical like a young girl should have. I have been through a lot growing up. I have become a better person through my past experiences. Music is definitely the second best thing in life. For me the best thing in life is a characteristic to have rather than an object in itself. To me the best thing in life is the ability to be creative. I am lucky to have talents in: art, music, and writing.

I love being 21. Not to brag but I already have great achievements. I have had a few of my poems published. The world has already thrown huge curve balls in my face. I have dealt with more than you'll ever know or ever try to think you know. I have gone through things that someone in their 40's and 50's deal with. You would be surprised if you knew!

I never understood why people say they are "proud to be young". There is no great personal achievement in being young- it is merely circumstance. If anything someone should be proud to be old- they have endured what the world has thrown at them and are still alive for it. Just my two cents...or pence :p

Totally agree, Metaveil... or like Jagger would`ve said.... "time is on my side, yes it is".... lol....

But seriously, I was thinking the same here, be proud of being young is so empty coz there are so many other things you should build to be proud of, and not a time circumstance that will change with... oh yes, time... duh...

People are interesting or not, not because of when they were born, but because of who they´ve become... and music is definetively the second best thing in life.... :) who guess what´s the first one? ;)

I never understood why people say they are "proud to be young". There is no great personal achievement in being young- it is merely circumstance. If anything someone should be proud to be old- they have endured what the world has thrown at them and are still alive for it. Just my two cents...or pence :p

20....... :D that's all? hehehehe

21 and proud to be young!!!

44 and proud member of the 44th MAC [Mechanized Assault Cluster] ;P

Believe it or not people, I'm 24. Some say I look young, but I don't care. I think its a good thing right?

46 here-- and more than just a number. ;)

I'm willing and eager to converse with anyone. Age is just a number - I want to hear from people who can impress me with their musical palette :)

the night that i am the oldest at a gig, i will get a round in for the whole room.

still got plenty of time to save up.

I could easily have ended up stuck in my generation's music if not for the Internet and various social networks which I have only had acess to since my thirtys. I can't imagine how anyone can be stuck nowadays when access to music is unlimited. My musical horizons have expanded to every genre. There is a world of great music out there, new and old that can be appreciated by anyone regardless of age. Just sayin.

I agree Adrix68. I was a teen in the 80s so I have fond memories of the music in that decade, & I have lots of good memories from going out & relationships that are attached to music in the 90s. And there are still lots of great bands around today who I love going to see. Expect my pension will be spent on music in a few years :)

You know... to me, music was never about age or style, and more about quality and what I wanna enjoy at the moment, but I must admit that there´s a tendency of some people (not everyone, thank God!) of my generation or older of thinking that nowadays you don´t get really good music, like talent was something lost back when they were young... I think this is totally wrong. Talent has no time, it has always happened and will always, here and there. Of course you can say it was more exhuberant or frequent in a particular decade, but to say that there´s none today... I think that person just got stucked in his or her time, just that. I understand if someone has preference for the music of the time one was teen or young, it seems the age that most impact or the first real impact music makes on us, it´s totally understandable. But I don´t agree when they trash the current generation like it had nothing of value. Just as I don´t feel right when I see a young one trash some classic song without even listen to it or knowing the band´s work, just to repeat some thought they heared from others. You must really listen and develop your own opinion.

Just wandering here, sorry... :)

Haha I love how I have more music in common with most of the older people in here then people my age.

Might have to do with where I live now.

i'm warming up before a start pushing thirties...i'll hate to pull a muscle before my midlife crisis...

beuh!!mba' nad

I feel young here :D

P.S. Happy birthday for Friday! x ;-)

So....I am not the oldest female on here after all!!

Welcome to the site, heleni. :-)

Forgot... I turn 51 on friday coming

hi ClaireM, i agree with your comments. However, the members do not appear to be very active and on most occasions, no one is online. Such a shame, i think that this is a great website

Nope, but there are loads of different ages and tastes in music on here, that's why it should be fun to talk! ;)

Guess you're all youngsters after all.

viewed my profile last week:

http://tastebuds.fm/users/cass

I will take that as a "no" then!! :-)

@tamar - you are right of course. I personally have enjoyed conversing with younger people on here. In the main, this site appears to attract intelligent, articulate, friendly, non-confrontational members (of all ages) , which makes a refreshing change from some sites that I have come across! I consider myself to be open-minded with a 'young outlook'....most of the time I don't feel as though I'm nearly 50 (ouch!) so I have never felt 'out of place' on here. It's good to hear that you are now feeling more comfortable about being on here!

However, the fact remains that I still seem to be the oldest female on here! If there are any women on here who can prove me wrong re that, please show yourselves! lol. :-)

47, but now I'm feeling a lot less weird about signing up for this. I'm starting to realize that music appreciation has little to do with your age.

Well, I turned 49 last week, so I think I am still officially the oldest female on here!

"Unless, of course, you know different...." (Only people of my age will remember where that quote comes from! Answers on a postcard please....!) lol. :-)

Yeah, badlydrawngirl, this year I turn 44, then we both can say to armann89.... so what, we have 22 twice, lol.....

Show off :P

HI!!...Im 22!!...

I'm 45. :)

Well, count me in the over 40´s club... :)

Heh, heh! Special zone for the "over 25's" .......!!

LOL - we already met baby - but i think we should show the youngins a thing or two lol smoooch bye

^ AHA, I see what you did there. :P xD

I'm 38, but thankfully the chicks are all young. Haha!

When I see all the 20-somethings, I feel old... :-(